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Boegie

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What's your take on pellets?
« on: May 24, 2016, 12:25:21 PM »
WORTH READING IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE FACTS
Clive Wilgoss
Auckland, New Zealand

Time for a bit of a rave about Pellets I feel. I have just posted this on Avian Avenue. Watch them come back and rubbish it.
I'll start with this false claim by Harrisons

"Harrison's Bird Foods are the formulas that provide proper nutrition for your bird's lifetime care. Because the single most important thing you can do for your bird is to feed it right. Harrison's Bird Foods is a family of certified organic, nonGMO-verified, formulated diets that were created by avian veterinarians and top avian nutritionists with the health of your bird in mind. Our formulas require little or no supplementation."

If you believe this I feel sorry for your birds.

Fact or fiction: Some companies source their pellets from a large processor that does supply a few different companies.

Fact or fiction: Profits come before product. A company has to make money. And this may mean (IT DOES) mean they will look at any way possible to keep profits up.

Who does the testing: Not independent valuers.

What is the base for formulations of pellets in most cases. Harrisons was and I am not sure this is still the case. Was based as has been stated for many other pellets, on chicken formulations.

Trust: Do you have 100% trust in any commercial based company?

Heat treating: This destroys a lot of the goodness in what has been processed.

Grinding: This will mean that the contents will deteriorate. Whole foods retain their goodness longer.
Two very simple examples most should be able to grasp.

Coffee ground or fresh beans?
Pepper ground or corns?

Enzymes. These are very very important to our birds well being. Heat and processing badly damages them.
Pellets are one or both treated this way.

Moisture Needs: Most bird diets are very high in moisture content. Pellets are not, and there for can cause
issues.

Harrisons and some other pellets contain foods not suited to some species. Peanuts, Soy, and Sorghum,
come to mind.

Artificial Colors: Are BAD. Watch a birds pooh. Any pellet diet can show how bad pellets effect what comes
out the back end. A good healthy parrot eating good foods will have good looking pooh.

Artificial Ingredients: Are BAD Some have been proven to not be as good as natural occurring ones. And a
birds body if not in good shape may have a job eliminating them.

Added Salt: Should not be there as any decent food will already have enough salt present.

Added Sugar: Sugar should never be added, Again there will be enough in decent fresh foods.

GMO: You make your own mind up about these. I stay away from any I find. And it has been found that if
foods come from the same plant (factory) there can be cross contamination anyway.
Low grade products: Most grading can be thought of as three grades. Human. good quality for pets, and
the wild bird food, which is cheap and nasty.

Fillers: This can be cheap low quality grains, of little nutritional value. This is a classic with a large number of pellets. when ingredients are listed the bulk products are
listed at the top of the list. And can make up a huge part of contents.

Now hopefully at least some bird owners will understand that for a birds digestive system to function well and as meant to, it DOES need real whole foods. Ground up foods are already semi processed and therefor it's system does not have to work like normal.

This fact alone should be ringing alarm bells. But we are told Pellets are a great way to cover basics.
So what is in them that we cannot provide with fresh foods? Zero.
In most cases anyone can make a better ground up mix at home and it will be far better than some stale aged product laced with stuff they should not be eating anyway.

Here's a list of some pellet ingredients.

Harrisons
*Ground Yellow Corn, *Ground Hulless Barley, *Ground Soybeans, *Ground Shelled Peanuts, *Ground Shelled Sunflower Seeds, *Ground Lentils, *Ground Green Peas, *Ground Rice, *Ground Toasted Oat Groats, *Ground Sun-Dried Alfalfa, Calcium Carbonate, *Psyllium, Montmorillonite Clay, *Spirulina, *Ground Dried Sea Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Sea Salt, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, d-Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.
"Anything ground up will deteriorate rapidly, so I would say avoid these. Unless you are making your own fresh.
At least they added sea salt, which is better than table salt. But does it need to be there.
Again we do not know how the supplements are derived.
And I think you will find these are super heat treated and extrusion. Meaning dead enzymes and nutrients"".
Zupreem Natural
Ground corn, Soybean meal, Ground wheat,Vegetable oil, Wheat germ meal, Sucrose, Dicalcium phosphate, Calcium carbonate, Ground vegetables (carrots, celery, beets, watercress and spinach), Iodized salt, DL-methionine, Choline chloride, Ascorbic acid (source of Vitamin C), Natural mixed tocopherols,
Rosemary extract, Citric acid, Manganous oxide, Zinc oxide,Copper sulfate, Calcium iodate, Sodium selenite,Vitamin A supplement,Vitamin D3 supplement,Vitamin E supplement, Vitamin K supplement, Niacin, Calcium pantothenate, Pyridoxine
hydrochloride,Thiamine, Riboflavin, Folic acid, Biotin,Vitamin B12 supplement.
"Supplements? They do not say where these are naturally occurring or manufactured"".
Roudybush
Ground Corn, Ground Wheat, Peanut Meal, Soy Oil,Soy Meal, Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminosilicate, Yucca schidigen Extract,Salt, Calcium Carbonate, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Citric Acid, Lecithin, Silicon Dioxide (carrier for liquid antioxidants), Sodium Selenite (on Calcium Carbonate), Niacin, Alpha-Tocopherol Acetate (Source of Vitamin E), Biotin, Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Zinc Oxide, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vit. A Acetate, Thiamine, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Vit K), Cyanocobalamin (VitB12), Vit D3 Sup. Folic Acid, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Propionic Acid, Ammonium Hydroxide, Acetic Acid, Sorbic Acid, Tartaric Acid, and natural apple flavoring.

"Roudybush does seem to be one of the better ones if you have been brainwashed into feeeling you have to feed pellets".
TOP Ecological, Sustainable Grown Bird Pellets Ingredient Highlights

Natural whole food Pellets are an excellent addition to your birds diet!
All ingredients are human grade and ecological, sustainable grown.

Naturally Preserved with Rosemary, Rose Hips, Lemon and Orange Peel
No Artificial Anything No Artificial Preservatives like BHA, BHT or ethoxyquin. No artificial colors or flavors. No artificial vitamins. No sucrose/sugar added.
No Animal Products or animal by-products.
No GMO No genetically modified organisms.
Product Information and Ingredients

Suggested Use: TOP pellets are an important part of a complete diet. Feed approximately as much as your bird will consume in a day. Some days birds will eat more than others so the amount will fluctuate. Discard the remainder and feed fresh pellets each time. Consult your avian veterinarian if you have any specific diet related concerns. Although an excellent source of protein, vitamins and minerals, we believe that no pellet can provide 100% of a bird's nutritional needs. Please be sure to feed vegetables, fruits, nuts, and some seeds for a varied diet.
"Remember when feeding, any food will come off the full total of good food. And as they say remember it is NOT a complete food".

Ingredients: Organic hulled millet, ecologically sustainable alfalfa, organic barley, ecologically sustainable rice, organic sunflower seed hulled, organic sesame seeds unhulled, organic quinoa whole, organic buckwheat hulled, organic dandelion leaf powder, organic carrot powder, organic spinach leaf powder, organic purple dulse, kelp, organic rose hips powder, organic rose hips crushed, organic orange peel powder, organic lemon peel powder, organic rosemary whole leaf, organic cayenne ground, organic crushed red chili peppers, organic nettle leaf.

Guaranteed Analysis: Protein min 13%, Crude Fiber min 12%, Fat min 7%.
Pellet Processing: Designed by avian nutritionists to be the best diet on the market today. TOP pellets are cold-pressed (not extruded or baked) to keep natural enzymes, vitamins, and other nutrients intact.

Ingredient Highlights
BROWN RICE: Is a nutritious, wholesome staple food containing a sizable quantity of minerals. Its 8 amino acids are so proportionately balanced that it has the highest protein digestibility among staple foods.
SUNFLOWER SEEDS: One, if not the most, nutritious and healthy foods to be found in the dried fruits sector. They have a high content of healthy unsaturated fatty acids, contain important nutrients like vitamin E, selenium, copper, zinc, folate, iron and phytochemicals, plus are a rich source of proteins and fibers.
ALFALFA LEAVES: Loaded with health-building properties. Their contents are not only balanced for complete absorption, but they help assimilate protein, calcium and other nutrients.
SESAME SEEDS: Loaded with minerals, especially high in calcium, magnesium, phosphorus and potassium, and are so high in vitamin E that its oil or meal is often used as a preservative. Contains all amino and essential fatty acids known today.
QUINOA: A perfectly balanced ratio of amino acids and is rich in vitamins, minerals and trace elements. 4.3% of those are Alpha - Linol acid, an essential fatty acid which is, otherwise, only found in fish
MILLET: A complete food, rich in minerals (especially calcium) and vitamins, particularly lecithin, which is important for the formation of healthy feathers.
DANDELION LEAVES: A rich source of beta carotene, vitamins D, B complex and C. They have a very high potassium content, as well as numerous other minerals, like the bone, nail and feather-strengthening minerals calcium, boron and silicon. Dandelion leaves are good for a sluggish liver, to remove toxins from the liver and gall bladder and to help cleanse the blood.
CARROT POWDER: One of the top rated vegetables, providing protein, calcium, iron, and the vitamins A, C, and B, the phytochemicals alpha carotene, p-coumaric, clorogenic acids and the carotene complex.
NETTLE LEAVES: Helps the blood break down proteins, making it a natural kidney and adrenal cleaner.
SPINACH LEAF POWDER: An excellent source of beta carotene, vitamins C, E and K, calcium, potassium, iron, sodium, sulphur, folic acid and oxalic acid. They contain more protein and chlorophyll than most vegetables.
PURPLE DULSE: A sea vegetable that is a natural source of essential minerals, especially iodine, vitamins, ions, sea salt and roughage.
ROSE HIPS: Contain an extremely high amount of natural vitamin C, and are, therefore, a great antioxidant and strengthener of the immune system. They are also very rich in beta carotene, vitamin B-complex, E and rutin.
ROSEMARY: A stimulant for the circulatory system and strengthen the nervous system. Used as a heart tonic, for respiratory ailments, gout and rheumatic pains.
CAYENNE AND RED CHILI PEPPERS: High in vitamin A, C, iron, calcium and contain vitamin G, B-complex, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, and sulphur. It is a harmless internal disinfectant, increases the effect of other herbs, cleanses the blood, wards off and equalizes blood circulation, increases heart action but not blood pressure, and helps prevent strokes and heart attacks.
Why we don't have soy, peanuts or wheat in our pellets.
SOY BEANS
There is more and more disturbing data found about soy beans and products. Soy beans in their natural state contain large quantities of natural toxins and there is data that soy is cumulatively toxic when fed to animals. For example, The PARROT SOCIETY NEW ZEALAND claims that soy products in bird food have caused such problems as immune system breakdown, failure of organs and multiplication of the birds' own benign bacteria. "EDIT" This was not true. It turned out to be poor storage I think in the end, that caused the issue.
PEANUTS
It seems that more and more birds develop allergic reactions to peanuts, so we view them as a great treat for birds that are not allergic to them, but not part of their daily diet.
WHEAT
Wheat is a common allergen and contains about 80 different components that can cause a negative reaction. The number of people that are allergic to wheat and wheat products is raising daily in alarming amounts. If that is the case for humans, and we are not sure how it acts in birds, better safe than sorry.
"One of the better pellets out there".

"Am I biased?? My oath I am. I have perfectly healthy group of birds. Some were not that good coming in. An example I have a 26yr old Galah in. When she came in she came with a smell. That has now gone and I have managed to get her eating a much better diet. Even her owner can see the difference in her. All this has been achieved with real foods. I never feed my birds any processed foods. And Pellets are just that. A money making business".

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Re: What's your take on pellets?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 10:08:46 AM »
Important information, thank you very much